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On this episode of Peak Human, Brian sits down with Abel James beside a stream in Montana, about eight days into a 10-day trip through Yellowstone, the Tetons and Wyoming. Abel created the Fat-Burning Man podcast, which held the #1 spot for years, and wrote The Wild Diet. He tells how he got healthy by doing the exact opposite of what his doctor told him, and how that grew into 15 years of blogging and podcasting. Brian and Abel talk about eating well on the road for very little money, why being rigid about health can make you more fragile, and why music is one of the most human things we do. Abel also describes his recovery from a serious hit-and-run accident. They finish with the idea that this is the moment to get people together in person, in beautiful places.

• 04:00 Welcome to Montana: Abel and Brian's Yellowstone and Tetons trip
• 05:20 Abel grew up on holistic medicine in the backwoods of New Hampshire
• 06:30 His doctor said no red meat, no cholesterol and lots of whole grains, and his blood work kept getting worse
• 08:00 Five prescriptions, an apartment fire and a look in the mirror
• 08:50 Fasting, red meat and cutting grains: 25–30 lbs lost and new personal bests
• 09:30 From a blog to the Fat-Burning Man podcast
• 10:40 Why he chose the word "wild": marketers have worn out "natural"
• 12:00 Travel, seasons and adapting as a way to age well
• 13:00 A family of farmers and where food comes from
• 14:50 The value of boredom and breaking out of phone loops
• 17:50 Protein first, and what OMAD really looks like
• 18:50 Eating more on active days and less on rest days
• 20:50 Being antifragile instead of chasing perfect health
• 22:00 The basic plate: good protein, many kinds of plants, carbs matched to activity
• 24:00 Eating well on the road: pizza bowls, batch cooking and jerky
• 26:00 Sauces, fermented foods and the microbiome
• 28:30 What DoorDash costs compared with cooking at home, and how hard it is to avoid seed oils
• 29:30 GLP-1s and falling out of love with food
• 30:50 Setting short-, medium- and long-term health goals
• 31:30 Setting up your surroundings so the bad option is out of reach
• 32:30 Primal positions: deep squats and getting up and down off the floor
• 33:30 Why humans make music: the evolutionary story
• 37:00 Creating instead of consuming
• 38:50 Austin, the Sapien Center, and how the trip came together
• 39:30 Abel's hit-and-run accident, his TBI and his road back
• 41:30 Foraging, scent, memory and remembering who you are
• 43:30 Three days in nature, benefits that last 30 days
• 44:00 AI, uncertainty and why we need awe
• 46:30 Retreats and decentralized in-person gatherings
• 51:50 Where to find Abel
• 53:00 The Perfect Wednesday and the experiences that matter most

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Brian welcomes Ann Bennett, creator behind Simply Unconventional, who started her health journey after hearing a Peak Human episode on seed oils. Ann describes cleaning up her family's diet and home, switching to raw milk and local meat, and seeing colds, stomach bugs, chronic sinus issues, and her sons' severe asthma disappear. That success led her husband to rethink their farm, slowly transitioning from heavy chemical spraying to regenerative practices that helped their crop survive extreme heat and drought.

She shares how, despite doing "everything right," she was still exhausted, irritable, and holding onto stubborn belly fat until Coach Chris Kruger's natural hormone optimization method showed her that going too low carb was part of the problem. Adding back whole-food carbs like potatoes, rice, and sourdough helped both her and her husband finally lose the belly fat. The conversation also covers rancid store-bought pecans, why "eat less, move more" fails women, the limits of conventional blood work, HRT vs. natural optimization, the Beast, Feast, Fast, Sleep framework, and a first look at Brian's upcoming book, The New Theory of Food.

02:50 Meet Ann Bennett
09:00 How Peak Human Started It All
10:55 Belly Fat Is a Hormone Problem
12:45 From City Kids to Pecan Farmers
15:00 Detoxing the Home and Diet
17:40 Taking the Farm Regenerative
19:50 Cover Crops and Drought
20:45 Why Store Pecans Taste Bitter
23:55 Raw Milk and Asthma
25:30 Meat, Milk and Height
26:30 Low Carb and Crashed Hormones
28:30 CrossFit and Stubborn Belly Fat
30:00 Keto as a Short-Term Tool
31:55 Japan and Rice
36:55 Maasai vs. Tsimane Diets
38:05 Weston A. Price
40:40 Is Obesity Genetic?
41:00 Eating With Your Cycle
43:00 Why Eat Less, Move More Fails
46:45 Normal Blood Work Isn't Optimal
48:30 HRT vs. Natural Hormones
49:15 Hormones After Menopause
52:15 Breaking the Snacking Habit

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Brian introduces Zen Honeycutt, founder of Moms Across America, which grew from efforts to label GMOs into a national nonprofit focused on reducing pesticide and toxin exposure through education and extensive testing that has found glyphosate in items including tap water, urine, breast milk, foods, and other products. Honeycutt describes launching a legislative arm (Moms Across America Movement/"Yes Ma'am") to promote health-focused policy, discusses MAHA-era progress and perceived corporate pushback, and urges contacting representatives via calls, email, visits, and X. She shares outcomes from switching to organic, including a story of a child's mental health improving, and recounts her son's strict organic veganism, subsequent nutrient/toxin findings (including thallium, mycotoxins, DDT), and suicide, informing proposed newborn genetic disclosure and EPA reforms. The conversation also covers EMFs, vaccine safety, microplastics, and major concerns about data centers' noise, energy, and water impacts.

Show Notes:

01:16 Meet Zen Honeycutt

02:46 Austin Events and Community

04:55 Moms Across America Origin

06:53 Testing Glyphosate Everywhere

08:26 MAHA Movement and RFK Jr

12:49 Policy Slowdown and Pushback

15:13 What You Can Do Now

19:46 Organic Food Changes Everything

22:06 Organic and Mental Health Story

26:42 Ben's Story and Vegan Risks

31:57 Genes Toxins and New Bills

38:22 Fat Fuels Survival

38:45 Cholesterol and Brain Health

39:16 Food Lies and Plant Toxins

41:39 Why Carnivore Helps Some

42:24 Fermentation and Gut Issues

45:08 Vegan as Reset Not Nutrition

51:32 Africa Anecdotes on Meat

53:39 Glyphosate and Vegan Exposure

55:32 Moms Across America Issues

56:41 Data Centers Health Threat

01:04:00 Microplastics and Fertility

01:05:36 Self Regulation and Identity

01:09:05 Unstoppable Take Action

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Brian interviews Calley Means from HHS about the Trump administration and Secretary Kennedy's push to address chronic disease by focusing on root causes like food and reforming scientific agencies. He describes entrenched incentives in healthcare and government, updates on dietary guidelines and a revised food pyramid emphasizing protein, fruits, vegetables, and reduced ultra-processed foods, and discusses efforts to redefine "ultra-processed" foods. He addresses controversy around glyphosate, explaining farmers' concerns about sudden bans disrupting agriculture, and highlights commitments and incentives for regenerative agriculture. They cover policies to remove soda, candy, and other ultra-processed items from SNAP, changes in school, hospital, and military food procurement, and mention work with outside partners on tools to help Americans make healthier choices.

02:07 Inside HHS Role

04:21 Why Reform Now

05:30 Food Pyramid Overhaul

06:37 NIH and Root Causes

08:16 Health Gets Political

09:41 Empowered Patients

12:35 Glyphosate Backstory

16:52 Market Shifts and SNAP

21:21 Regenerative Ag Funding

23:49 SNAP Soda Crackdown

26:20 School Lunch Pushback

28:35 Fixing School Breakfast

29:43 Farmers And Food Procurement

30:45 Hospitals Stop Serving Junk

33:45 Root Causes Of Chronic Disease

36:11 Defining Ultra Processed Food

39:17 Traditionally Prepared Foods

42:12 Messaging And Food Transparency

44:41 Lifespan Project Incentives

46:55 Policy Shift Toward Prevention

50:35 Inside The White House Role

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